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  • Ice Skating Rink
  • From: chegringo57, December 10, 2007

There's also a ice skating rink in Flores, on Rivadavia, at an odd-numbered address (cause of the side of the street it's on), near Nazca (~7300's), in case you, or anyone else, is/are interested. It's situated behind where all the Nazca station construction is going on. Looks like a bar, because it is, with a rink inside. its right near the corner of NazcaAv. Rivadavia 7431 is the address. Went past it the other night.And cue web page: http://theiceplanet.com.ar/flo/homeflo.php

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  • Identity Card - Cédula de Identidad - Useful when using credit cards as proof of your identity
  • From: Peter J. Macay, November 15, 2009

argentina.gov.ar
cedula

Usually when you use a credit card, you will be asked for some kind of identification.  A Cedula de identidad card is obtained once you get your formal residency and D.N.I.  It is better to carry this around, then to risk losing your D.N.I.  You go to the office on Mexico y Azapardo to get the card.  If you're over 70 you can by pass the lines and go right in.

http://www.argentina.gov.ar/argentina/tramites/index.dhtml?frame1=3&tema=8&subtema=161&tramite=1440&ea=3

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  • Income / Ideas for Making a living in Argentina
  • From: Peter J. Macay, September 02, 2006

If you need to produce an income here to survive, be very careful, this is a highly educated population (university is free here and all my friends have degrees), with not enough jobs, the competition for positions is  extremely high.

The only way to survive here (in my opinion) is to do your own thing, whether that's in consulting, real estate, teaching, whatever. Don't plan on real estate appreciation here, things swing wildly and if you plan on that as your sole purpose of income, well, you're taking a big gamble.  Actually I think the real estate market is overvalued at the moment, it went up too much, too fast in the last 2 years, I think there will be a correction and prices will go down, but that's just my opinion.

Buying and then renting to Argentines is risky because rent prices are low  (compared to the cost of the property) and this country has a socialist background which protects the tenant over the landlord (to protect the little guy). I would not be comfortable renting to Argentines unless I was very fluent in Spanish so that I could understand contract law with a lawyer when you draw up the lease. Buying and then targeting the apartment short term to visiting tourists could be more lucrative (and more work in the administrative side of things), but you would need an apartment in a  great location (which is more expensive) to attract visitors, and then a  way to market it so they find out about the property.

    From: Cisco, September 02, 2006

I have several suggestions:

1) You're correct, the construction business is booming in Buenos Aires. 27% climb in construction this year compared to last. I have a friend who is one of two partners in a "constructora" (construction firm.) They build apartment buildings and sell the apartments, realising a fairly high yield (an investor can expect 25-30% profit) in the space of a year or so. He is constantly looking for investors. His name is Ing. Carlos Tapiola and I vouch for his honesty and ethics. He can be reached at 11-4774-2171, his email ctapiola (at) hotmail (dot) com. (Note: while Carlos and his wife lived in Florida for a while, his English is basically non-existent. Spanish will be best.)

Another person I trust is Luis Bisso, a realtor in Tigre who specializes in refurbishing and flipping houses in Zone Norte. One-year yield is in the 20% range. He also welcomes investors. Luis can be reached at fundarbisso (at) hotmail (dot) com.

2) Another possible income source: I own a translations/marketing firm at http://www.enfoqueglobal.com.ar 

We ocassionally need translations into English. I know of several expat Americans in Argentina who work as interpreters, translators or as voice-over and dubbing artists, working for several local companies or working remotely for States-side agencies. Let me know if you're interested, and write me with any questions. gsc (at) enfoqueglobal (dot) com (dot) ar, or greg (at) gonegaucho (dot) com.

3) My wife and I (re)discovered Herbalife recently, and have been amazed at the immediate adoption it has in the Argentinean market. Beyond the fact that the products are essentially good, the igniting points are (a) the twenty-plus years of expansion this company has had in the States, (b) the huge international expansion it's had in the last few years and (c) the burgeoning Argentine economy of the last three years, flowing spending income back into the middle class. (Herbalife is a publicly-traded network marketing and direct sales company focusing on healthy foods and food supplements. See http://www.herbalife.com )

For those of you with a knack for sales, or with contacts in the nutrition or weight-loss areas, this may be an effective income-source - especially keeping in mind that you can build networks in both Countries simultaneously (web, email, VoIP, etc.) and that even a USD 1,000 residual constitutes a healthy monthly income in Argentina.

If you want more info (no pressure), drop me a note. greg (at) gonegaucho (dot) com, or use my yahoo account.

best, Greg / www.gonegaucho.com

    From: Benjamin J. Schwartz, September 03, 2006

Regarding Real Estate as a form of income, I think as Peter points out below it is a potentially risky means of securing income, however it can be done, and is. The supply of foreigners willing to pay $500 or more for a monthly rent doesn't seem to be dwindling. The old caveat about location being everything couldn't be truer in this city, in my humble opinion. While some areas may be overvalued, keep in mind that in the event of a real estate recession, the last places to lose value and the first to recover are the high demand areas like Recoleta, Retiro and other Barrio Norte locations. I still think that buying an old place in a desirable location, renovating and flipping is the best way to make a quick profit. And I think it can still be done. But the days of there being hundreds of great, old, affordable properties for sale are dwindling. Like any business you have to be exremely careful about who you work with, and what you get yourself into.

That seems obvious, but I still I see people making bad decisions all the time. They find a great apartment in Recoleta that's in impeccable condition and is marketed by an upscale real estate company with bilingual employees. Then on top of that, even though the apartment is already in move-in condition, they hire an English-speaking architect at top dollar and renovate the place to their liking. By doing that, they have effectively destroyed any possibility of profitting from their investment in the short term, and probably mid-term as well.

My quick advice: Buy a small, humble, old apartment in need of huge renovations in a desirable location. Hire a Spanish-speaking architect who is not used to working with foreigners. Skip the elaborate renovations, but make the place tasteful, and inhabitable. Sell it fast.

    From: ciscodanconia, September 03, 2006

I agree with what Pete wrote. I also want to add that renting out your flat in BA is riskier than doing so in the States, as the laws favor the tenant more.  I'd recommend any sort of e-work that you can do for companies in the States from your computer in your BA location. With the exchange rate what it is, you'll do well even with a part-time thing.

Greg / www.gonegaucho.com

    From: Belliappa Pattada, September 03, 2006

i totally agree on this issue. as joseph damien mass once mentioned (i think it was him), that this country is a land-based economy. people put the money in property and not in the banks. the way i look at it, the economy has been growing rapidly here since 2002, which means more money and more demand for properties, hence the properties are overvalued, probably at their peak value i´d say in the next few months. Kicking out a non-paying long-term rental resident is close to impossible (hence the requirement for a guarentor). Tourists are willing to pay more at the moment but knowing the history of this country one never knows the long term financial effects. just as an example, the govt. has, since the past couple of months made it mandatory for universities to register their foreign students to check if they have a student visa, this could bring down the demand for students travelling here (not much though), and so one never knows what the govt. will do indirectly that will affect real estate demand and prices. i have been raised in a family of real estate developers from Bangalore, India (the boom there was of an order of magnitude more than Buenos Aires) and i moved to Argentina to start my own business. i have met many many foreign students, and people who come here to buy property and start the tourist rental business (rio de Janeiro saw this a while ago), but i don´t always recommend them to buy property at these prices. as one knows in the real-estate business, u make ur profit when u buy and not when u sell. meaning, buy it only if u get a great deal when someone wants to sell urgently and u have been waiting for that opportunity with $$$ at hand but he cant wait, so u already made ur profit cause it was bought at undert market value, cause when u sell u´ll rarely get a hihger than market value, especially if u sell to a local. / belli

    From: brendan.byrnes, September 04, 2006

This isn't construction or real estate but one idea is to get TEFL certified and start your own english language program. The best thing about this is after the month long course you can start teaching and in my experience there are a ton of argentines looking for classes.  Once you get a few private lessons then it is all word of mouth and it grows immensely. A fraternity brother of mine did this same thing in spain and he said he had low overhead and immediately saw the income advantage versus working for an already established school.

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  • Income / Taxes / Foreign Income Earned
  • From: Rob Evans, November 05, 2007

According to my tax guy, as a citizen of the US, the first U$S 85,700 of foreign earned income is not taxed[1].

http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/international/article/0,,id=97130,00.html

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  • Inline Skating in Buenos Aires - Patín En Linea
  • From: nati_che, December 16, 2009

For those of you who are interested in getting them, I got further Info> Check this out http://www.roller4roller.com/home.php

roller4roller

    From: Dan, December 14, 2009

I don't have a pair to sale, but just wanted to recommend you http://www.patinenlinea.net/

patinenlinea

and http://www.andandoenlinea.com/home.php , those from andando meet at the rosedal in palermo. People from pel often ride from the Hilton in Puerto Madero.

andandoenlinea

You may need to register.
 
u can also try craiglist or mercadolibre, Or cristobal colon, but too expensive some say.
 
Oh now I remember someone who bring rollers,
Gustavo Schvartz
Tel:(54 11) 4243-9386
Cel:(54 911)3608-5996
Mail: gschvartz@gmail.com 
Facebook:Gustavo Schvartz

there on facebook you can see updated info and pics of what he brings.  happy skating!

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  • InterNations - Connecting Global Minds
internations

Mission

InterNations is the first international online community for people who live and work abroad. As a network based on trust, we enable our members to interact with other global minds in a similar situation, with comparable interests and needs. InterNation users can keep in touch with friends and business contacts; they can exchange reliable information on expat-specific topics, both on a global and a local level. http://www.internations.org

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  • Internet Connections
  • From: Alejandro Aru, September 02, 2006

If you want to get high speed internet in your home, Fibertel will let you use a passport (no DNI required) and if you say you were offered 3 first months for free to try the service they'll let you in.

After that period 2.5 meg connection is $ 120 a month (U$ 40).

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  • Internet Connection Speed Tests / How to test the actual connection speed from your ISP
  • From: Eric Northam, May 9, 2007

I have heard a lot of bad things about ARnet particularly with dropped connections and the same issues with connection speed. Regarding speed tests you should be getting closer to 600k download on a 1MB connection. Speedtest.net depends on volunteer servers from people all over the world. Unfortunately they seem to give the least consistent results and very slow results for servers located in South America. Try http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/ and see if it does any better. Also keep in mind that you or anybody else downloading or uploading items will affect your results. Filesharing, spyware, and games are notorious for eating up bandwidth. Are you positive nothing is running on your computer and your wireless network is locked down so that nobody else can use your connection?

    From: whereisleslie, May 9, 2007

http://sps.prima.com.ar:8080/ 

Speedtest from Argentine server

http://www.pingplotter.com/download.html 

Pingplotter that will show you where your drops are

You may notice that when you do a speed test on an Argentine servers  you up / down soar in comparison to other tests. It appears that where  the lags are are at the jump points to international servers .

http://www.dslreports.com/stest

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  • Internet Radio / Where to find your favorite radio stations streamed on the internet
  • From: Skye Williamson, May 8, 2007

There is a TON of  great internet radio including news (public and otherwise) out there.  google 'radio' and you'll find some very good sites to browse by  genre, also if you have iTunes installed on your computer, try  clicking the 'Radio' tab and browse talk/spoken word or public. i  personally listen to a air america for thom hartmann and progressive  news, and listen to a washington dc station in the afternoons for a  talk radio program i like. try http://www.live365.com  for example.  bbc has their radio stations streaming live, etc... also, radio uses  much less bandwidth than video.

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